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Halides direct self-assembly--Hot Paper on Chem.Comm 25 July 2006

Halides direct self-assembly--Hot Paper on Chem.Comm 25 July 2006

响应DICE的建议,在此尝试引导一个“文献阅读与讨论”。望能抛砖引玉。 请感兴趣的参与讨论!
我把有关文章和 X-RAY CIF FILE 附在下面,供阅读和参考。

Chemical Communications: Hot Paper: Halides direct self-assembly

Title: Self-assembly of square-planar halide complexes of phosphinestabilised
stibenium salts

此文被选为“HOT PAPER”,自有它的吸引人的地方。

为引导大家阅读,现提出一下问题。一部分问题的答案就在文献里,另外的需讨论。

问题:
1)        本文的重要性在于它发现了什么?
2)        生成COMPOUND 1的驱动力是什么?
3)        作者都用到了那些表征手段?
4)        ELECTROSPRAY MASS SPECTRA 的通常的研究对象是什么?是否常用于超分子体系的研究?本文中它的作用是什么?
5)        作者得到的单晶的形状是PLATE。相对于PLATE而言,什么形状的单晶更受晶体学家的喜爱 (通常会得到更好的衍射结果)?
6)        用VSEPR推导ME3P->SP2+的几何构型,是否和作者的结论一致?
7)        COMPOUND 1 的稳定性得益与什么作用 (作者提出的)?SURROUNDING  PF6- 与PHENYL AND METHYL 上的氢之间的弱相互作用是否也有助于其稳定性?(Although the authors didn't mention it )
8)        ANTIMONY 和 PHENYL GROUPS OF NEIGHBOURING UNIT之间是否有Menshutkin interaction?(问题7 AND 8 需查看其分子结构,PLEASE OPEN ATTACHED CIF FILE USING MERCURY)
9)        很显然,作者并没有期待得到这样一个SQUARE PLANAR Sb CORE。此SELF-ASSEMBLY 没有“人为设计控制” 的成分,否则会是更高的档次!假设,你是作者,若想自组装成TRIGONAL PLANAR 结构,而不是SQUARE PLANAR,你所可能采取的措施是什么?

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  • Mcdull 在2006-8-10 23:49 评分: 金币 +20 原因: Well begun is half done!
  • choscar 在2006-7-31 20:47 评分: 金币 +5 原因: For a good starting. Maybe this topic is better, including a few key words. 文献阅读与讨论1-S ..

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Good starting! I read later and learn from this new paper (new to me)!
Thank niuniu123 for many questions! That's me feel as an assignment or exam!

I don't too much! Let's try and verify me.

[ 本帖最后由 choscar 于 2006-7-31 19:35 编辑 ]

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I don't know many about this area! Let's try and verify me.

1. "spontaneous self-assembly and structural characterisation of the first discrete,
square-planar halide complexes of a Group 15 element"

2.

3. electrospray mass spectra, X-ray crystallography

4-5. Sorry, I don't know

6. The coordination mode is quite strange. If not consider X- anion, three coordinated (R3P-> SbR'2) + 1 lon-pair on Sb should favors pyramidal. If we consider there is a coodination of X, it can be TBP or Square Pyramdal.

BTW, in terms of Cl-, it is sqare planar. Why not square pyramdal? So strange!

7. "SURROUNDING  PF6- 与PHENYL AND METHYL interaction" are very waek! At first, I guessed there is a cation(Sb)-pi interaction. However, I found two phenyl ligand do not orient above the cationic metal

8. Sorry, I don't know the terminology

9. I guess, increasing the bulkiness of the Ph group  or using smaller F- anion to reduce coordination no. of Cl-.

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  • Mcdull 在2006-8-10 23:51 评分: 金币 +10 原因: Thx for ur discussion.
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Hi! Choscar. Sorry for giving you the 'exam" feeling! That's not what I want to. This is just a start. I believe we finally may develop it into a very "nice" form.
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原帖由 choscar 于 2006-7-31 19:14 发表
Good starting! I read later and learn from this new paper (new to me)!
Thank niuniu123 for many questions! That's me feel as an assignment or exam!

I don't too much! Let's try and verif ...

Choscar, I got to go to lab. :-(  I will be back to discuss this tonight.

Although giving me exam feeling, your questions definitely lead and help us know more.

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my answer

1)        本文的重要性在于它发现了什么?

Editor's preview gave a comment:

"Australian chemists have isolated and structurally identified the first known examples of square-planar halide complexes containing a main group element."

Please see: http://rsc.org/Publishing/Journa ... 36H_wild_250706.asp


2)        生成COMPOUND 1的驱动力是什么?

Lewis acid-base attraction

3)        作者都用到了那些表征手段?

"'These air-stable stibenium complexes are remarkable in that they can be isolated from the organic phase of a dichloromethane–water mixture of the components, the electrospray mass spectra indicating supramolecular parent assembly,' says Wild.

X-ray crystallography of Wild’s complexes revealed a near-linear binding of the halogen and phosphorus atoms to the stibenium cations. In addition, attractive edge-to-face interactions above and below the square plane were thought to help stabilise these supramolecular structures. "


and of course, NMR, and EA.


4)        ELECTROSPRAY MASS SPECTRA 的通常的研究对象是什么?是否常用于超分子体系的研究?本文中它的作用是什么?

ESI can be used to determine weakly bonded supramolecular structures and their reaction (dissociation) kinetics in the gas phase. The present Chem Commun paper used ESI to confirm that the supramolecular species they proposed are stable in solution and in gas phase.

5)        作者得到的单晶的形状是PLATE。相对于PLATE而言,什么形状的单晶更受晶体学家的喜爱 (通常会得到更好的衍射结果)?

cubic or column (?) the worst one is thin needle, I guess

6)        用VSEPR推导ME3P->SP2+的几何构型,是否和作者的结论一致?

let me do it latter

7)        COMPOUND 1 的稳定性得益与什么作用 (作者提出的)?

Lewis acid–base interactions and hydrogen bonding

"Attractive edge-to-face interactions between the eight phenyl groups above and below the square planes containing the halide ions could be contributing to the stabilisation of these supramolecular structures."


SURROUNDING  PF6- 与PHENYL AND METHYL 上的氢之间的弱相互作用是否也有助于其稳定性?(Although the authors didn't mention it )


The structure visulaized by Mercury gave a mess, too much disorder and the cif cannot be opened by Diamond. What a pity! Anyway, I guess that it is difficult to answer yes or no. The best way may be replacing PF6 with other anions.

8)        ANTIMONY 和 PHENYL GROUPS OF NEIGHBOURING UNIT之间是否有Menshutkin interaction?(问题7 AND 8 需查看其分子结构,PLEASE OPEN ATTACHED CIF FILE USING MERCURY)

From the drawing in the main text of the paper, I guess there are some "Menshutkin interaction" (Sb-phenyl point-to-plane interaction), that could be the reason why Ph2Sb moiety in this complex adopts such a butterfly-like conformation. Just guess.

As for "Menshutkin complex" benzene-SbX3:

Menshutkin, V. N. Double systems of antimony trichloride and antimony tribromide with benzene and its substituted derivatives; St. Peterburg, 1912.

Crystal Structure of the Menshutkin Complex Benzene-2SbCl3, D. Moo~z* and V. HANDL, Z. anorg. allg. Chem. 1986, 533, 23-29.

Intermolecular Interaction of Antimony Trichloride in the Crystal of the Bimolecular Menshutkin Complex with Diphenylamine, A. Kondyurin, J. Phys. Chem. 1992, 96, 11038-11042.


9)        很显然,作者并没有期待得到这样一个SQUARE PLANAR Sb CORE。此SELF-ASSEMBLY 没有“人为设计控制” 的成分,否则会是更高的档次!假设,你是作者,若想自组装成TRIGONAL PLANAR 结构,而不是SQUARE PLANAR,你所可能采取的措施是什么?

Choscar is smart!!

[ 本帖最后由 Reuben 于 2006-7-31 23:35 编辑 ]

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  • Mcdull 在2006-8-10 23:51 评分: 金币 +20 原因: Thx for ur discussion.
  • choscar 在2006-7-31 23:45 评分: 金币 +5 原因: Thx for your valuable comments. I learn something from you! Thank you!
First, thanks choscar and reuben's discussion! I expect other guys may have some interesting topics to share.

The following is my point of views that may be right or may not. Anyway, let's discuss!

1)        Besides its structural novelty (the first known examples of square planar halide complexes with main group element), the more important for the title compound is that its synthesis revealed anion-templated synthesis, especially the halide-templated synthesis may afford easy access to various novel main group assemblies.
2)        See Reuben’s comments
3)        In article’s experimental part
4)        See Reuben’s (Thanks a lot for your explanation! )
5)        Block (e.g., Cube)> Rod (column)> Thin plate & needle
6)        Without considering X anion, the geometry of Sb distorted trigonal pyramidal (figure 1) (C-Sb-C, 107°, C-Sb-P, 90°); if considering X anion, it is seesaw geometry (figure 1).
About the coordinative geometry around central X, it indeed is square planar (X is coplanar to the four Sb atoms, but not perch above the plane containing  four Sb atoms (square pyramidal). See figure 2.
7)        Reuben is right. Disorder makes it difficult to evaluate this kind of interaction. Personally I think it is present. See figure 3.
8)        About Menshutkin interaction, I agree with Reuben. However, I believe it is very weak in this case since the lone pair of Sb is not very nicely point to the center of the phenyl ring.
9)        Choscar is right. By tuning the steric effect of the ligand one may achieve smaller size ring or linear structure (just deduce!). Considering azo-carbene has very similar property to phosphine, I suggest the following synthetic target (figure 4).

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  • Mcdull 在2006-8-10 23:52 评分: 金币 +20 原因: Thx again.
figure 3 and 4

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原帖由 niuniu123 于 2006-8-1 10:19 发表
figure 3 and 4
Replacing phosphine with N-heterocarbene (NHC) is a bright and constructive idea. You are smart, Niuniu, as smart as Bob who used NHC to construct his 2nd generation Grubbs' catalyst and riped away the Nobel money.

The only problem is how to synthesize the NHC-Sb complexes. To my knowledge, main group elements with NHC ligands are rare, if there are some. Besides, is NHC a good Lewis base or not? On the other hand, the steric control harnessing phosphins with various cone angles is a mature method, thus I personally think P-ligand is more practical to tune the molecular geometry in this case. I must admit that NHC is still a really smart idea.

[ 本帖最后由 Reuben 于 2006-8-1 11:15 编辑 ]

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